Gary Motherfucking Oak hits a decent amount of your points.

>>14951919

He's just an asshole, though.

Nope.

>>14951945
A GOOD VIDYA GAEM VILLAIN

Suikoden II, Luca Blight.

>One of those weird-ass stage backgrounds that makes you think you're on an acid trip.
No, this shit is gay. And it's usually used right about towards the end of the game when they decide to throw in some random philosophical bullshit that's TOO DEEP FOR YOU.

>-Isn't a pussy. Is willing to die fighting the main character at any given moment.

Said villian charges in desperation.

Main character kills villian.

This occurs in the middle of the fucking game.

WHERE IS YOUR PLOT NOW?!

-Is the cause for most of the main character's suffering.
-Is powerful enough that every time you encounter him, you're scared shitless.
-Is the main tormentor for most of the game. None of this Necron bullshit.
-Awesome theme music.
-One of those weird-ass stage backgrounds that makes you think you're on an acid trip.
-Actually has a GOOD reason for fucking shit up.
-Isn't a pussy. Is willing to die fighting the main character at any given moment.
-Never wants to give up. The fucker should be willing to charge at the good guys if he only has one leg to hop on.
-He shouldn't need underlings. They're okay to have, but if the whole operation falls through without them, there are problems.
-Never goes soft. When the final blow is dealt, the villain should NEVER give a sappy speech that tries to make everyone feel sympathetic for him.

Fits all of those... I think...

Who IS Atlas?

>>14952043

Main character isn't that strong mid game and you know it.

>>14951884
>When the final blow is dealt, the villain should NEVER give a sappy speech that tries to make everyone feel sympathetic for him.

Sympathetic villains are the best. Dr. Doom, Darth Vader. There's a difference between being human and being a whiner. Hell, the most well rounded Malak ever was occured after you beat him and he has that speech where he realizes just what he did wrong.

>>14951884

Sounds like Ridley to me.

Sephiroth
Liquid Snake
Ansem
Sturm
Ganondorf

kefka kinda fits that description aside from being afraid of facing him

>>14952124
Except the game needs to be balanced out so that you can win.

Or its one of those "YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO LOSE" battles.

>>14951884
The Virus from Rez.
- Cause of the system shutting down and scattering the virlii all over the fucking levels.
-Even though you fight it only once directly, it's going to rape you if you blink at the wrong moment/face the wrong way even for a second.
-That heart beat techno/ moaning thingie woah.
-Seizure inducing if you're sensitive to light, but then again, if you were you would have not made it to him.
-Good reason? It's a virus. Enough said.
-It's just doing it's thing, why would it fear death?
-He doesn't really need underlings, but hey, the game would be boring without them.
-Fucker is spitting 5000+ missles at you till it's over.

>>14952141
>Hell, the most well rounded Malak ever was occured after you beat him and he has that speech where he realizes just what he did wrong.

He tried to take your place. That's where he fucked up.

>>14952078
yeah, SA-X hits all these points except the trippy BG, but that is taken care of throughout the rest of Fusion, especially when you're wandering around the ice area and the shadow of Nightmare keeps swooshing past in the background. That part freaked me out a bit.

>>14952181

Those battles are fine as long as they don't drag on. Your shit should be wrecked at the end of turn 1.

Oh boy, another condenced blob of evil you vanguish eventually. Villains are so cool and interesting. Chicks dig monologues

>>14951884

>>Is powerful enough that every time you encounter him, you're scared shitless.
>>you're scared shitless.
>>scared

I'm sorry, I don't get scared by pixels and polygons.

>>-One of those weird-ass stage backgrounds that makes you think you're on an acid trip.

How does that make the villain better?

>>-He shouldn't need underlings. They're okay to have, but if the whole operation falls through without them, there are problems.

Some villains can be shown to be smart or strong by using their underlings in an intelligent manner.

Anyway, there's a few Villains probably out there who fit the rest of your requirements. Mostly though I can only think of villains atm from Literature or the medium of film. Luca Blight as was already stated isn't bad, but he was being used by the Harmonian Empire and his Mentor to cause destruction and War

>>14952141
no. this almost always ruins it. Just look at any squaresoft/enix game ever after the final boss. The only exception I've found is Ganondorf at the end of Wind Waker talking about the desert.

>>14952226
Its more like 3 turns.

5 tops.

>>14952240
What...what the hell.

>-Actually has a GOOD reason for fucking shit up.
This is the hardest thing to nail. What the fuck, exactly, is a GOOD reason? It's way too nebulous.

OOT GANONDORF/GANON FTW

>>14952326
Shit was awesome.

When you met him as a kid and you're just like "Oh fuck I'm eleven fucking years old oh shit oh shit oh shit"

And then Phantom Ganon in the Forest Temple. I freaked out because I thought I did the temples in the wrong order or something, and I was already fighting him.

>>14951884
'sup?

>>14952376
I was hoping someone would think of him.

>>14952043
It's awesome when this happens. After that happens, you find that the guy who you were fighting wasn't even the villain at all, but in fact its some other random guy. Even better, the main villain is one of your allies.

>>14952157

>>14952287
If his motives include "because he's a bad person", your villain is awful

First was better, but I played the second first and like it more. Fuck Makaan and his shit eating Vaygr. I took great satisfaction in eventually slicing his ship apart.

>>14952271

Scared in the sense of "oh fuck, I'm not sure if I'm ready for this" each time he shows up.

And I just dig those backgrounds, is all.

>>14952287

Not doing it because of orders. Not doing it for the hell of it (hi kefka). Something...yeah, you're right.

>>14952376
Fuck yes Tamurlane's speach at the Damascus.

>>14951884
If you consider Dedede the main character, then Kirby fits all these.

>>-Is the main tormentor for most of the game. None of this Necron bullshit.
>>-Actually has a GOOD reason for fucking shit up.
>>-Never wants to give up. The fucker should be willing to charge at the good guys if he only has one leg to hop on.
>>-He shouldn't need underlings. They're okay to have, but if the whole operation falls through without them, there are problems.

Vinnie Gognitti.

What about Seymour from FFX? It's been a while since I played it, but he seems to fit the bill on most of this IIRC.

This motherfucker.

sure is ganondorf in here tonight...

Nihilanth?

>>14952141
I'm gonna take over the world! With the power of evil!

Dang I lost, should have stuck to good. Damn, always rooting for the wrong team. Blarg I'm ded

Awful

>>14952326
unfortunately its true, most of the zelda villains have all of these qualities, especially the new guy from twilight princess

>>14952513
Sacking of Damascus, even. It's a shame what happened to Roberto, though.

>>14951884
Pyramid Head fits the bill.

My vote is Master D from Bionic Commando. I mean come on, it's motherfucking Hitler in the year 199X. Shit doesn't *get* better than that.

>Is the cause for most of the main character's suffering.
>Is powerful enough that every time you encounter him, you're scared shitless.
>Actually has a GOOD reason for fucking shit up.
>Isn't a pussy. Is willing to die fighting the main character at any given moment.
>Never wants to give up. The fucker should be willing to charge at the good guys if he only has one leg to hop on.
>He shouldn't need underlings. They're okay to have, but if the whole operation falls through without them, there are problems.
>Never goes soft. When the final blow is dealt, the villain should NEVER give a sappy speech that tries to make everyone feel sympathetic for him.

Now he actually needs a video game.

>>14951884
Shadow Hearts Villians questions and fits all your roles.
Seeing how there are multiple main villians through out the course of the games.

Major Spoilers Ahead.

Albert
Actually the Good Guy.
Destroying the World to Save it.
Not afraid to die to save the world.
Floating Castle in the Sky
Techno Chants.
Amon
Killed Alice


Rasputin
Not afraid to back down
Based off the IRL Rasputin, the Juggernaught Bitch.
Has no morals what so ever.
No long speeches.
Bitch Slapped Amon, Twice.
Floating Castle. WTF


Nicholi
Underling, who becomes Main Villian
Not afraid of dying.
Is not scared of you at all
wants to have sex with your mother...I'll show you later.
Kills lolis with no remorse.
Won't back down.
Flaming Twisty Flying Background. WTF.
Chanting Music.
Floating Castle...

Gato
Moralfag
Makes the previous main villian his bitch.
Brings the Sadness if you played Part 1.
Will fight to the death, again.
Has Lv 50 Underlings, that YOU GET TO PLAY AS FUCK YEAH.. Then Fight after you fucking Grind with them.....
Depressed as fuck.
Short speech.
Reasons to destroy everything, the other three villians screwed everything up
Another Floating Castle ....that connects to the nothingness dimension

Lady
Emotionless Killer.
SAYS ONLY FOUR WORDS THE ENTIRE GAME
No speeches
No mercy
Bisexual.
Does what she has to do as the human embodiement of Malice released in part 2.
Utterly decimates you in battle even if you do win.
Creates underlings just to make the party suffer more.
JESUS ANOTHER FLOATING CASTLE, this time, it connects to the evil dimension

>>14952579
he fits all except for the good reason for fucking shit up. only square character (besides garland in ff1) to be actually, truly badass.

>>14952519

not this one:
>-Actually has a GOOD reason for fucking shit up.

>>14952016

oh hai earthbound

>>14952519
Except for "never goes soft"

>>14952588
>-Never goes soft. When the final blow is dealt, the villain should NEVER give a sappy speech that tries to make everyone feel sympathetic for him.
Obviously, you've never gotten your charm/intimidate up high enough

>>14952157
>Sephiroth
Kill yourself

>>14952207
No, Malak fucked up, like all Sith do, in thinking that being a darksider makes you more badass. Being badass makes you badass.

>>14952275
>Just look at any squaresoft/enix game ever after the final boss.

And that's where you fail. Square can't write worth a fuck. Every character ever to come out of the FF franchise is terribly written.

It's retarded when a villain is just pure evil hatred through and through, because no one's like that. The best villains are the ones where you go "That could be me if I just went a little too far".

Dr. Doom has a past that sucks, and has motivations other than "RULE THE WORLD BECAUSE I'M GREEDY/DESTROY THE WORLD BECAUSE I'M NUTS", and that makes him a great villain.

Giygas an' Pokey.

>>14952043
lolol i did that in metrod fusion, but i do recall the villain coming back in the end...

I think a good villain is one that has incentives that are better than "Because he's evil!!!"

>>14951884
sounds like Lavos

You could make Shepard from Mass Effect a villian if you try hard enough.

>>14952702
Actually.. If anyone recalls Kirby's Adventure for the NES.. Dedede stole the star rod to save everyone from the Nightmare that had invaded the Dream Thingie and gave it to his friends to PREVENT THE EVIL NIGHTMARES from getting ahold of it...

And nobody told Kirby this before he stabs it into the fountain.....

>>14952078

SA-X ended up helping Samus, so... yeah.

>>14952619
What, as opposed to "I'M EEEEEVIL"

*is dying* "I'M STILL EEEEEEEEEVIL AND NOW I HATE YOU AND I'LL GET YOU NEXXXXT TIIIIIIIIME STAAAAAAAAR FOOOOOOOOX"

What are you, five? A villain needs a good reason for being evil.

>>14952779
in b4 Chrono Trigger 3: Chrono Activation and Infinity Gorger as the replacement for Lavos/Time Devourer.

>>14952853

SA-X's goal was to kill all the Metroids, it wasn't helping Samus really. More like Samus took advantage of it getting beaten by the Omega Metroid.

This motherfucker right here.

It takes three arrow ambushes, three squads of six characters, another volley of arrows just for kicks, and the main character fighting him one-on-one just to finish him off.

"You could gather a thousand maggots to defeat me, but you'd still all be maggots!"

-Erased 1000 years of memories, and even went so far as to enslave the main character and make him a puppet.
-Ruins your shit halfway through the game. Also has you attack your own teammate.
-He fucks everything up the entire game while getting everyone to think he's right.
-ROAR OF THE DEPARTED SOULS HOLY SHIT SATANIC CHANTING JESUS CHRIST
-Background is the link to a world full of immortals.
-As an immortal, his ability to rule over an entire world full of mortals, without his reign being questioned, gives him reason to fucking play everyone like a fiddle.
-After the main character realizes what he's up to, he's already started his plan. Any time he sees you afterward, he attacks and kicks your ass.
-Still didn't fucking die at the end of the game, if that's not giving up I don't know what is.
-Orchestrated the entire plan by himself.
-After the final blow is hit, he just laughs and makes you sacrifice a prominent main character in order to save all your mortal friends.

Cold.

oh hello there

>>14953009
>"You could gather a thousand magets to defeat me, but you'd still all be magets!"

>>14952275


Sephiroth doesn't do this.

Sephiroth attacks you after he dies.

Therefore, FFVII is the best game ever.

>>14952655
>>14952655
>>14952655

>>14953074

>>14953102
I never got Sephiroth. What's his incentive to do what he does? He seems like a shallow, basic, mustache twirling evil doer who stabs women instead of tying them to railroad tracks.

>>14953009

ugh, couldn't even get the quote right.

""You can round up a million maggots to try to defeat me... but you'll still all just be maggots!"


bet you haven't even played the game faggot.

GLaDOS

>>14953244
He's just a brainwashed BAWWWWWWWW baby when you boil down everything explained in Ff7. Possibly homosexual due to joining and become high ranked in an army where nipple exposing leather is considered a uniform.

>>14953266
Atleast his quote doesn't have shit grammar.

>>14951884

DHOULMAGUS

>>14953244
Not that he was all that complex, but Sephiroth did have more motivation than that. Did you even pay attention?

Sigma.
Megaman X through.. Whenever Capcom decides to bring him back.

Not only does he do the OP's things, but he also chases you in an XM3 prototype Abrams tank and ends it with a fistfight ontop of it surrounded by zombies.

>>14953512
Never played the game, to be honest. Nothing about it seemed vaguely interesting...Except maybe Mr. T

A good villain makes you cry when he dies a tragic death and only you know that he really wasn't evil, but a victim of circumstance.

>>14953512
>Never played the game
>I never got Sephiroth. What's his incentive to do what he does?
I think I found the problem, chief.

>>14953661
What I mean is I never got why so many people are drawn to him.

>>14953603
You're fapping to The Boss while typing that, aren't you?

>>14953512

In essence, he was nothing more than Norman Bates in a tight black costume and a sword. Haunted by his "mother" and doing her bidding, he just did what he was "told" to be a good boy then add in an traditional realization of his nature to jerk some tears and pity. Yeah. He was really deep. Deep like the guy who drops the blocks on you in Tetris.

That guy had some serious emotional issues and he did not give any speeches about it. He just started rainiing blocks upon a hapless little russian city until you came along to save them from his tyranny. But no matter how many blocks of his you destroyed, he kept sending more, faster and faster. Only when he is saited, would the locals ever celebrate in the blood of their fallen.

Tetris > Final Fantasy 7.

Anyone who thinks Kefka doesn't fit this to a T is a faggot. He's the perfect video game villain.

It's a shame I can't stand turned based shit-for-gameplay jrpgs anymore, because I totally want to replay ffvi for its story. ;_;

>>14953718
Oh, well that can be attributed to the fact that he either "looks badass" or "is a hawt bishie", depending on the person's sex. He does have motivation, but that doesn't mean shit to most people who like him.

>>14953818

-Actually has a GOOD reason for fucking shit up.
-Actually has a GOOD reason for fucking shit up.
-Actually has a GOOD reason for fucking shit up.
-Actually has a GOOD reason for fucking shit up.
-Actually has a GOOD reason for fucking shit up.
-Actually has a GOOD reason for fucking shit up.

>>14953835
What's his motivation, aside from being a pre-cursor of emo -bish-jrpgs?

>>14953855
in b4 Wrrrrrrryyyyyyyyyyyy

>>14953835
Ah, I see. It's a shame people rate the quality of a villain on their "Badassness" or "Smexyness". But I wouldn't expect any less from weeaboos :3

>>14951884
You forgot indestructible titanium-diamond-adamantium alloy plot armor.

>-Is the cause for most of the main character's suffering.
Aruhameru and Barubary fuck Ryu's shit up, make his life miserable. Check.

>-Is powerful enough that every time you encounter him, you're scared shitless.
Check. You only encounter the fucker once, but he kills all your friends like it was nothing.

>-Is the main tormentor for most of the game. None of this Necron bullshit.
Check, although he did most of his work through his subordinates.

>-Awesome theme music.
Check. The organ music that plays when you first meet him is kickass.

>-One of those weird-ass stage backgrounds that makes you think you're on an acid trip.
Eh, not really.

>-Actually has a GOOD reason for fucking shit up.
Well, on one hand, he wanted to kill everyone because he was a death god. On the other hand, he thought that death would make everything happy, and that he was spreading joy throughout the world by killing stuff. Half-check.

>-Isn't a pussy. Is willing to die fighting the main character at any given moment.
Check. The only reason he wasn't out fucking shit up in person is because Ryu's mother sealed him in Infinity years ago.

>-Never wants to give up. The fucker should be willing to charge at the good guys if he only has one leg to hop on.
Check. Ryu slices his face open and he's still kicking.

>-He shouldn't need underlings. They're okay to have, but if the whole operation falls through without them, there are problems.
Eh, he needed the energy of St. Eva believers to become strong, but the game implies that he was gaining strength without them. Semi-check.

>-Never goes soft. When the final blow is dealt, the villain should NEVER give a sappy speech that tries to make everyone feel sympathetic for him.
He promises to come back some day. Check.

Yes, by OP's standards, Deathevn from BOFII was a good villain. Fail moar.

>>14953879
he finds out he's a genetic experiment

he snaps and buys in whole-heartedly to the thought that he and his "mother" are the CHOSEN RACE and therefore the world needs to be METEOR'D so mommy dearest can consume it or whatever

also he's got a hateboner for cloud because the wimpy little non-SOLDIER beat him in combat

that's about it

This is a pretty fucking good thread. Thank you OP. I disagree on this point though:

>-Never goes soft. When the final blow is dealt, the villain should NEVER give a sappy speech that tries to make everyone feel sympathetic for him.

Sappy speeches are out of the fucking question, but that doesn't mean a villain can't have gray area. Hell, the good villains all DO have some gray. If, for example, they refuse to kill children for some personal reason, then they're showing depth of character...which is good. They still need to retain a certain degree of badassery/insanity. In some instances, such as with Giygas, the villain's character itself is irrelevant, which is fine if the story's focus is entirely on the central protagonists. If evil has no moral gray, then it can still serve as a simple driving force of conflict, further deepening the personalities of characters.

>>14953862
What qualifies as a good reason? Obviously the an insane person's reason isn't going to seem GOOD to anybody sane.

>>14953862

Power is as good a reason as any for killing millions.

I mean, Kefka is clearly trying to achieve something with his killing, unlike, say, Bowser or Dr. Wily, who are evil just for the hell of it.

>>14954013
Right. Like I said before, it isn't much, but it's more than "I are evil".

>>14954124

Bowser wants to fuck Peach.

and honestly, who doesn't?

>-Actually has a GOOD reason for fucking shit up.

Oh yeah, and I don't agree that this is necessarily true. I occasionally like villains that kill and destroy for sadism alone, like Kefka and the Joker. They revel in the suffering of innocents, which is downright terrifying.

>>14954124
>>14954117
Power and insanity are old hat to the nth degree. A villain needs MORE than that to be considered well-motivated.

Oh······
You say that is the strength of the destined child?

······
You think that you are more powerful than I? The power of God?
······
I don't appreciate that.

[Katt ·····
Fighting is the only way she knew to express herself.
But, she saw a strength she never knew in Ryu.
And··
now her life is over.]
[Sten ······
He never faced life and always lied to himself.
Watching Ryu face destiny reminded him of what life should be··
And now,
his life is over.]
[Rand ······
He wandered around the world because he hated boredom and met Ryu. and··
now his life is over.]

You quietly watch your friends disappear··
This·· is the difference between your strength and my strength··

[Bleu ······
One of the brave heroes who destroyed our God, Miria··
Ryu reminds her of a hero she once knew and they become friends.
And now,
her life is over.]
[Jean ······
He believes in a bright future·· by acting silly ·· and with his innocence··
But the wonderful world he believed in can only be possible in death.]
[Spar ······
He reasons everything with logic.
But he came in contact with Ryu's courage··
and he sees that knowledge is not everything.
And now,
his life is over.]
[Bow ······
He met Ryu as a child·· and the two became buddies··
and now, his life is over]
[Nina ······
She was chased out of the royal family because of her black wings··
But, she continued to think about the good of the royal family and tried to disappear··
And now her wish will come true.
Her life is over.]

So what do you think··
Ryu of your pitiful life·· It easily crumbles in God's hands.
Even if you are called the destined child, or the brave one, you will still be washed away by a stronger power.
·· While the world explodes in front of me, you will sit there and realize your weakness··

>>14952602
>-Never goes soft. When the final blow is dealt, the villain should NEVER give a sappy speech that tries to make everyone feel sympathetic for him.

-Doesn't treat his underlings like shit.
-Has a personality outside of just villainy.
-Is smart enough to not fall victim to any cliches (last minute monologue, not knowing when to stop, etc.).

>-Is the cause for most of the main character's suffering.
Not quite, many other villains in the Mario universe.
>-Is powerful enough that every time you encounter him, you're scared shitless.
No, fucking comic relief villains.
>-Is the main tormentor for most of the game. None of this Necron bullshit.
Varies from game-to-game
>-Awesome theme music.
Fuck yeah
>-One of those weird-ass stage backgrounds that makes you think you're on an acid trip.
Not really
>-Actually has a GOOD reason for fucking shit up.
"RAAR I WANNA FUCK PEACH!" No.
>-Isn't a pussy. Is willing to die fighting the main character at any given moment.
Check, he would sooner fall into a pool of lava than concede defeat.
>-Never wants to give up. The fucker should be willing to charge at the good guys if he only has one leg to hop on.
Check, he just keeps coming back.
>-He shouldn't need underlings. They're okay to have, but if the whole operation falls through without them, there are problems.
LOL NO
>-Never goes soft. When the final blow is dealt, the villain should NEVER give a sappy speech that tries to make everyone feel sympathetic for him.
Nope, again the sad effects of comic relief villainy.

>>14954013
Lamest Villian in Videogame History is classifed as the greatest because he ZOMG KILLD ARES

Pussyroth's exploits.
His nipples are exposed.
White hair,.
Bishie.
Burned down a small village that nobody gave a fuck about, whooptie fucking doo.
killed a giant snake
enjoys ramming people from behind with his giant sword. ( ever noticed how everyone he killed was from behind. Fucking coward.)
Plot Armor that Iron Man wishes he had.
Momma's Boy

These are the characteristics that make a videogame character awesome apparently..

Then.. We have the Magical Emperor Ghaleon.
Wussy Looking Whiny Bishie Wizard by Day.
14 Foot Tall OMGHESCOMMINGRIGHTFORUS Son of a Bitch who hits you with all the elemental spells, who does it all because?
Nobody listened to him. Still emo faggotry, but not on the level of Pussyroth.

I don't want a villain, I want a fucking person.

I'm tired of villains that are so forced and contrived that they become completely unbelievable.

Look at most JRPGs. The villains in those come close to just kicking puppies for the hell of it. Why can't they be more human?

>>14952855
A good villain isn't evil at all. A good ending leaves you wondering if you are the bad guys

Liquid Snake fits every single one.

>>14954162
Bowser did fuck peach.
Where do you think the koopa kids came from, and why do you think Wendy O' Koopa.. Looks like Peach.

Oh, and of course Peach got a Csection for the eggs. Nothing's going to stretch out her junk.

>>14954124
Bowser's been trying to take over the Mushroom Kingdom since ever. Over time, it's become both that and an ongoing grudge match with the Mario Bros.

>>14954525
Some games suggest a love interest in Peach as well.

>>14954492
Except for underlings and that half-hour long monologue in MGS

>>14954455
You want a person who's also a villian?
Play Shadow Hearts Convent.

>>14954269

But the fact that we don't know WHY he is so insane and hates everyone makes him such a good villain. He's an insurmountable evil who can't be reasoned or bargained with. That's why he's successful.

Sometimes the "lol mysterious past xD" works against the charater, but they actually pull it off well for Kefka.

>>14954519

Well, he wants to do it again.

brb bout to go find some minus 8 peach hentai

>>14954595
I don't want villains anymore, I want just PEOPLE.

I mean, what the fuck would a person have to benefit from destroying the world or any number of cliche shit that they do? I don't want that, I want enemies the style of the Wire, only in a videogame format.

STARSSSSSSSS!!!

Solidus fits every fucking role. He basically orchestrated MGS1 and is the superficial main villain in MGS2. Never backed down, had a vision that made you feel like shit for destroying it, and had a flashy dramatic death with theme music and the American fucking flag.

>>14954632
I honestly thought Bowser is one of those guys who like, wants to marry the only woman they ever had sex with and live happily ever after.
Except the only woman bowser ever had sex with happened to be Peach and we all know she's not ready to settle down...

>>14954198
>I occasionally like villains that kill and destroy for sadism alone, like Kefka and the Joker.

You have never read the Killing Joke. Joker has a very good reason for doing what he does. He has a very human backstory.

Kefka is a bargain basement Joker with delusions of grandeur.

kefka

/thread

So what's our opinion on villains who just don't like the heroes for some simple reason and thusly make their lives a living hell because of it?

>>14954323
Indeed a true villain, the archetype for Sephiroth. Why don't more people consider him to be a good example of what a villain should be.

>>14954455
Very fucking true. Keep in mind, videogames are a very new art form. They're in the crude early stages, just like the novel was during the popularity of Robinson Crusoe. Once they become catalysts of change--not just entertainment--then they'll likely contain characters as complex as any from a Dostoevsky or Dickens story. Maybe you should be the first to try this.

>>14954648
That's the thing about Shadow Hearts.
When you step back and look at everything...
You're totally mindfucked when you find out that deep down inside, morally, you're wrong everything you did is wrong.

Dark Prince

-Awesome theme music. (the music in the last stage was awesome)
-One of those weird-ass stage backgrounds that makes you think you're on an acid trip. THIS
-Actually has a GOOD reason for fucking shit up.
-Isn't a pussy. Is willing to die fighting the main character at any given moment.
-Never wants to give up. The fucker should be willing to charge at the good guys if he only has one leg to hop on.
-He shouldn't need underlings. They're okay to have, but if the whole operation falls through without them, there are problems.
-Never goes soft. When the final blow is dealt, the villain should NEVER give a sappy speech that tries to make everyone feel sympathetic for him.

Not sure about the first one since the suffering is caused by the prince itself, and the second one isn't really for this guy since you ARE the dark prince and it's awesome when you become him.

Andrew Ryan

>>14954684
I agree with this.
And to be honest, after I beat the game I found myself wondering if he was really a villain at all.

>>14954818
Yeah. Why can't someone try to create the videogame equivalent of the Watchmen? Video games have the same comic book morality (read: ultra right wing) that comics books tend to have.

Why hasn't someone done anything to parody or analyze it?

This thread, it was made for me.

>>14954856

also, the main tormentor of the game is the veezer, not the dark prince, which only torments the prince.

>>14954724
I've never read the Killing Joke, so I could be wrong. Most of my knowledge of the character is based on the films and animated series. That said, I should probably substitute him for Iago. Now Iago, in my opinion, is truly a sadist. Sure, he wanted Cassio's position, but this just wasn't reason enough for his psychological breakdown. One of the most interesting characters of any story ever...and he lacked any solid motivation.

>>14954856

I agree with this

>>14954876
And then Snake was the Patriots.

Until you actually fight him...

Mitra:
-Is the cause for most of the main character's suffering.
-Is powerful enough that every time you encounter her, you're scared shitless.
-Awesome theme music.
-One of those weird-ass stage backgrounds that makes you think you're on an acid trip.
-Actually has a GOOD reason for fucking shit up.
-Never goes soft. When the final blow is dealt, the villain should NEVER give a sappy speech that tries to make everyone feel sympathetic for her.

>>14951884
The Path of Neo
Agent Smith.

>>14954888
>Video games have the same comic book morality (read: ultra right wing) that comics books tend to have.

What the fuck comics do you read? Let's not talk about Watchmen please. It was ahead of it's time 20 years ago, but it's showing its age now.

>>14954961
>I've never read the Killing Joke
Yeah, go do that.

Man this thread gave me an idea, particularly >>14952043 : You confront the main villain in his tower in the middle of the game and defeat him easily. He uses his one last desperation move on the hero party and one of two things could happen.
1: The game "ends" mid-attack. The player becomes the villain, as in they follow his plot (which, it turns out, is well-intentioned and would actually work, but merely happens to inconvenience the heroes in some way) and the game ends again at the final battle in the tower, except the player can now choose if the desperation attack succeeds or not.

2: The desperation attack WORKS and the villain discovers new power within himself, the hero gets knocked the fuck out or banished or someshit, and the rest of the game is spent training to become as powerful as the villain.

But what does /v/ think?

>>14954684
Solidus was shit

You ruin his shit, learn you are the bad guys and then what? Join him like you'd expect? lol no, enjoy your duel to the death for no raisin

>>14951884
Should add:

-Must be physically fascinating on some level, even if its merely a limp or facial quirk.

>>14955107
I don't live near a comics store. Know anywhere I can find a PDF version online?

>>14955109
Sounds like you've been playing Chrono Cross.

>>14955198
actually, never played. Is it anything like that?

>>14955127
You find this guy half naked and laughing/brain dead at the end of the game. Fail boss is fail.

>>14955107
What do comic book superheroes almost always do? The whole philosophy is centered around being aggressive and fighting is going to resolve issues and ignore the gigantic mess that they oftentimes create.

>>14955187

i just checked /rs/ and it looks like it's there

>>14955117
>no raisin
>raisin

lol nice spelling

Honestly I like villains who you can sympathisize with, I don't mean the "I'M A TOTAL MONSTER BUT I APPOLOGIZE AT THE END". I mean ones that you can honestly see why they're that way. That or ones that actually aren't all that evil just in the way of you reaching a really important goal.

I don't know, I just kind of get sick of villains who are bad for the sake of being bad(although there are plenty of those in real history) because they aren't all that interesting.

>>14955242
Kun Lan lives forever. He can't die, he's a demi-god/devil. You can clearly tell he and Harman restart the cycle at the end of the game.

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>>14955233
Yeah.
After an epic grind, you discover a mysterious island where you confront Lynx and Harle, two villians who've been a pain in your neck for quite a while.
Words are exchanged.
Battles are fought.
Mysterious Object is touched
and then Serge was Lynx.
Total Mindfuck 1 Occurs.

>>14955265
I'm a newfag at this. How do I download it without paying?

>>14955347
>Game goes down the shitter.

Yup.

>>14955347
D:

>>14951919
>>14951919
>>14951919
>>14951919
>>14951919
>>14951919
>>14951919

Sometimes all you will learn in defeat is that you have been defeated.

>>14955332
He's not immortal. He's just another version of the Chinese DevilGod Story.
Everyone's used it. Remember the Eternal Enemy from Eternal Warrior? Same exact story as that guy because they're based off the same legend. Also, Harmen is not as infinite as he's made out to appear.

>>14955260
Superheroes fight as a last resort. They're highly aware that hey, tussling like this can create a lot of destruction.

I'm just going to tell you you're wrong and leave it at that.

>>14951884

Ganon

</thread>

you know what i hate about this thread?

the implication that ONE type of villain is the best and variety has no place in design.

>>14955272
I did it on purpose

>>14955274
I think they can be interesting. Look at Caligula. This motherfucker needed to cause suffering as much as you or I need food and water. He was batshit fucking crazy and he had no reason for any of the shit he did. Dude was still motherfucking scary. Look him up on Wikipedia. His resume is priceless.

>>14953053

glad someone else thought he was one of the most conniving bastards alive

>>14955481
OH SNAP I DO NOT HEAR SUCH A TRUTH?

Luca Blight

>>14955347
I think you kind of misunderstand me there. The hero doesn't become the villain, the player does. Think of it like the Sonic Adventureo 2 storylines, except without LOL JOINT OPERATION at the end and with linearity (as in you have to play the "light" side before the "dark" side). And maybe something could happen where the player doesn't know he's playing the villain until he figures it out for himself (which should become obvious at around the time that the villain commits his major Act Of Villainy)

>>14951884
Greatest Troll Ever.
10/10

By presenting a simple list and expecting the obvious answers and stereotypes. Many /v/irgins attempted to squeeze they're favorite characters into the role.
Ha hah hah.

>>14955272
I can't believe I just read that said the big brain HA HA HA

>>14955571
'sup OP

>>14955467
Sounds like someone is still 8 years old and/or living in their parents basement.

>>14955571
OP is greatest villain?

-There isn't a huge amount of plot depth in Diablo. But I would consider going insane from post-traumatic stress and having a demonic soulstone jammed in your head qualifies as suffering. Not to mention all the other characters in the game getting fucked by him.
-You only face him once, and while I wouldn't say its scary, it is definitely heart-thumping and a great end boss to a great, atmospheric game.
-He is most definitely the main tormentor. He tears a kingdom apart and corrupts a church into leading down into the very pits of hell.
-Diablo does not need theme music, because the normal game music is that freakin' great.
-No, but I don't give a crap about an acid trip background. Dark, creepy, and bloody are what make this games background. And it works.
-Well, he's the Lord of Terror. He doesn't have a reason, he;s just pure evil. He's the leader of demon hordes, so the pure evil shit actually works here, too.
-Well, when you fight him, he never backs down once. Then again, it's an action game, and he makes you plow through his entire army before you fight him.
-After he dies, he corrupts the main character to go on and fuck up people's shit even more than he previously had.
-I'm not sure how necessary these underlings are. They definitely help out, but when you think about it from a gameplay perspective, he would have been better off without his demon hordes. He would have been fighting a level 1 character. And from a story perspective, he doesn't need them so much as he is just leading them.
-As I said before, he came back at the character after he died, to bring his brothers back to the mortal world, and continue to cause more shit to go down that had previously happened.

>>14954818
THANK YOU! I seriously have been trying to tell people this but everyone just goes NO THE VIDYA ISN'T ART IT CAN'T HAVE DEEP PLOTS

The first movies were men with pointy mustaches tying women to train tracks and 1 dimensional slapstick comedy. Then it was plotless western SHOOTAN MOVIES and awful SciFi. Sprinkled in there were a few good movies, but very few.

I nominate L block

>>14952275

You see, I think tWW was Ganon's best game. He had personality, he had intellect, and jesus fucking chirst, he seemed so much more evil in tWW than in any other game. Maybe its because he knew exactly what he was doing, and why he was doing it?

>>14955117

Shit was too DEEP for you.

LUCAAAAA FUCKIIIN BLIGHTT!!!!

LUCAAAAA FUCKIIIN BLIGHTT!!!!

LUCAAAAA FUCKIIIN BLIGHTT!!!!

LUCAAAAA FUCKIIIN BLIGHTT!!!!

>>-Is the cause for most of the main character's suffering.
-Is powerful enough that every time you encounter him, you're scared shitless.
-Is the main tormentor for most of the game. None of this Necron bullshit.
-Awesome theme music.
-One of those weird-ass stage backgrounds that makes you think you're on an acid trip.

>>14955571
HURR HURR I LEARNED A NEW WORD. TROLL TROLL :DDD

>>14955706
Square block is the real motherfucker.

SIN IS THE PENULTIMATE VILLAIN CHARACTER

Also, he's your father.

>>14955571here

>>14955703
I went along with this promoting Shadow Hearts and what not, but seriously. A simple pointed and very discriminating list that eliminates all but failure final fantasy bosses and leaves no room for intelligent discussion? I just went along with it to see how many people who say SISSYROTH , KEFTA. and GANUN

>>14955616
::sigh:: I didn't want to prove you wrong, I was hoping you'd have the self respect to just admit you were full of it.

The entire climax to Civil War, lame as it was, was Captain America going "hey, we're causing a shitload of damage, I give up". You can't throw a stone without hitting an issue where the hero du jour goes "brawling here would be a bad idea because of all the damage that could be done, better lure him elsewhere". The entire Kingdom Come miniseries was about how acting that way *isn't* cool and that *isn't* how heroes act.

You're very wrong, and should probably stop talking before you embarrass yourself further.

>>14951884
...

Gygias?

If a villain has a good reason for being what he is, then isn't he then a hero, not villain?

>>14955471
Thank you.

>>14955528
His childhood was screwed up though. He didn't just crawl out of the womb as a monster.

Oh hai, wuts goin' on in this thread?

>>14955703

Video games are "Interactive art". They have been around for plus 30 years now. Thing is, video games are mostly used for recreational purposes and not "artistic" ones (like conveying a message). I don't see the purpose of video games changing anytime soon.

>>14955929
He's awesome, but lacks any depth of character. Fuck, he isn't even self-aware. He's a crazed, pandimensional infant, more or less.

>>14952650 My vote is Master D from Bionic Commando. I mean come on, it's motherfucking Hitler in the year 199X. Shit doesn't *get* better than that.

This.

>-Is the cause for most of the main character's suffering.

Check. Used underlings to fuck with Jack like a smart overlord would.

>-Is powerful enough that every time you encounter him, you're scared shitless.

I'd piss myself.

>-Is the main tormentor for most of the game. None of this Necron bullshit.

Check.

>-Awesome theme music.

Check.

>-One of those weird-ass stage backgrounds that makes you think you're on an acid trip.

He IS that weird-ass stage background.

>-Actually has a GOOD reason for fucking shit up.

Rejected by the Gods for being ugly, now he wants to fuck with their world. Something like that.

>-Isn't a pussy. Is willing to die fighting the main character at any given moment.

Check, he fled, but only when he absolutely needed to in order to torment the Samurai more.

>-Never wants to give up. The fucker should be willing to charge at the good guys if he only has one leg to hop on.

Check.

>-He shouldn't need underlings. They're okay to have, but if the whole operation falls through without them, there are problems.

He uses them, but they're not necessary.

>-Never goes soft. When the final blow is dealt, the villain should NEVER give a sappy speech that tries to make everyone feel sympathetic for him.

Check


Fuck yeah, AKU.

>>14955957

Good meaning "not horse shit"

"I robbed that store because I felt like it"

vs

"I robbed that store to feed my starving daughter"

>>14955882
And? You didn't prove anything, other than they like to be self righteous fucks.

>>14955975
>"Interactive art"

Which is exactly why they may potentially become the most influential forms of art in human history. Give the medium a century and you won't even recognize it.

>I don't see the purpose of video games changing anytime soon.

Maybe not soon, but they will.

A good vidya gaem villian, especially in a JRPG, actually has some REASON he is superior and you can't just kill him and be done with it, not just "oh no, his power level is so high we can't hurt him by stabbing him or cutting his head off, and and we can't get through the barrier or army around his castle even though we can CRASH THE MOON INTO THE FUCKING EARTH to destroy these randomly spawning rabbits!"

>>14955957
No. For example, Dr. Doom wants to rule the world not out of greed, but because he honestly thinks he can do a better job of it than anyone else on the planet. Judging from the one country he DOES rule, he's probably right, too.

Dr. Doom is also a murderer, a fascist, and a tyrant.

>>14956085
It'll take a technological leap.

>>14956018
nope,comical villan

>>14955571

Except the point of trolling is to stir up shit. This thread isn't a shitstorm at all.

Michael Jackson in ToGPBSUaJ:PTotHBS

Final shootout was epic

>>14952836

Sup Phil.

>>14956018
Aku deserves his own cult.

>>14956018
Winner

Giygas

Also, Dahlia Hawthorne

>>14956102
And that's never going to happen. Ever.

Really though, why are so many people so short-sighted? It's like they can only think 5 years ahead of themselves rather than 50.

trolling = inciting flames upon oneself

griefing = most other cruel things you can do

dont mix em up, folks

Not from a video game, but this was my favorite episode of the show & my favorite villain from any medium.

>>14956105
Disagree, even though he's somewhat humorous (this provides his gray area). The fucker razed entire cities to the ground, has enslaved entire planets to his bidding, and kills millions with no fucking empathy. Bowser is a comic villain, but Aku is just twisted.

>>14956046
Goddamn dude, just stay down.
>The whole philosophy is centered around being aggressive and fighting is going to resolve issues

No. I can't tell you how many times i've seen Superman or Captain America or Spider-man or what have you talk before throwing a punch. That's how the "heroes" in Kingdom Come acted, and the real heroes had to come back and put them in their place.

Sure there's lots of fighting, but when some guy's literally tearing up a building, what do you do? Do you ask him to fucking stop first?

>and ignore the gigantic mess that they oftentimes create
No they don't. I gave you several examples proving that wrong and I can give you more.

Seriously, stop talking like a British liberal pubgoer Alan Moore faggot and just stay down and beaten.

>>14956085

What do you foresee in its future anyways?

>>14956251
When you're deep into the industry, you can only think of technology advancements and how they'd be useful in about 5 year increments. This is because engines are constantly cycling that way. The next generation is around the corner, and it comes every 5 years. That's how we've been trained to think.

>>14956287
And it's an incredibly one sided viewpoint of everything. Christ, do you realize that there are multiple ways of actually interpreting how events occurred and that the popular history isn't always the real one?

And I'm a Grant Morrison faggot, not a Alan Moore faggot.

>>14956102
It'll take thinkers. We have plenty of those. Look at graphic novels, or "comics" as they used to be called. We jumped from extremely derivative hero-villain relationships (original Batman, Superman, etc) to complex, morally ambiguous plot threads (V for Vendetta, Watchmen, etc).

>>14956102
Not really. Video games have the potential now to do it, probably even more so than movies and books if they really tried. You can "physically" interact with what happens in a game, even if a major plot point remains the same, how you got there can be totally different. You can't do that with anything else except maybe one of those "CHOOSE YOUR ADVENTURE" books.

Games also have the chance to spend more time with the audience. There are very few books or movies that you can say spend 20 hours or more with their audience.

>>14956299
And one of these days, someone's going to break the mold. Each generation has provided something different. The video game industry is constantly searching for innovation, new ways of playing and interacting. This urge is what ensures evolution somewhere down the line.

Dr. Weil of the Megaman Zero series fits the following points, for the parenthesized reasons:

-Is the cause for most of the main character's suffering. (During Zero 4.)
-Is powerful enough that every time you encounter him, you're scared shitless. (In his final form of Zero 4.)
-Awesome theme music. ('Nuff said.)
-One of those weird-ass stage backgrounds that makes you think you're on an acid trip. (Does being on a space station on a collision course with Earth count?)
-Actually has a GOOD reason for fucking shit up. (Given eternal life, then kicked outta society.)
-Isn't a pussy. Is willing to die fighting the main character at any given moment. (Took Zero down with him in the end.)
-Never wants to give up. The fucker should be willing to charge at the good guys if he only has one leg to hop on. (Took on Zero in 2 different forms and tried to crash his superweapon into Earth when it became inoperable.)
-He shouldn't need underlings. They're okay to have, but if the whole operation falls through without them, there are problems. (Applies in the latter half of Zero 4.)

>>14956414
Right now developers are just trying to make it so that the technology doesn't cause development to become so expensive that they go bankrupt just trying to make a simple next gen game, let alone anything revolutionary.

Maybe when the expense of these titles go down, more ambitious titles will emerge again. Or if PC gaming is supported more, since it always captured the niche titles that would never have sold on consoles.

>>14956293
In 45 years, or so some have claimed, virtual reality will become a...reality. Observing events and participating in them are very different. Imagine experiencing the sensorial horror of armed combat as opposed to merely watching it unfold on-screen. Could this stop war altogether? Maybe, though I doubt it. Could this greatly lessen the frequency of war? Certainly. Narratives change the world. Look at the Bible and Koran. Look at Gilgamesh and The Iliad. Give it time.

>>14956572
I've heard the sales pitch before. 10 years ago or so.

>>14956441
DHAOS IS REALLY COOL XD.

>>14956494
>>Given eternal life, then kicked outta society.

And before everyone goes asking why this is bad, let me ask you this: how would you feel if you were given invulnerability to death by natural cause, then kicked out of the only remaining society on Earth, which is a utopia by the way, and the rest of the world is nothing but a wasteland? I'm sure you'd want to blow everything up too.

>>14956598
Okay.

>>14956572
>look at the Bible and the Epic of Gilgamesh
Didn't at least one of those cause most of history's wars?

>>14956697
My point is that we have some virtual reality-like shit right now, but no one wants it.

No one wants virtual reality, they want things to be like they are, just better looking and better playing.

>>14956370
Ooooh, you're so subversive. No, heroes aren't perfect, but they aren't the simplistic gung-ho idiots you like to view them as because you like reading shit like the Authority and the Boys.

>Christ, do you realize that there are multiple ways of actually interpreting how events occurred and that the popular history isn't always the real one?

I.e. "i've been proven wrong, but I don't want to admit it". The statement you offered simply wasn't true. There's no "alternate historical viewpoint" of civil war or kingdom come. You're just simply wrong. You, like all other british liberal faggots think that heroes like Superman and Captain America are big stupid tools because you think they look retarded, and you try and demonize them in any way you can to make yourself look edgy. Hell, that UK faggot Millar made a career out of it.

Villain says "I am going to blow up this building". Hero says "You probably shouldn't do that". Villain says "WELL I AM ANYWAY" and vicious beatdown occurs.

There's no alternate history to that. There's no shifting viewpoints. I don't even give a fuck what was in the building, the guy's in the wrong.

>>14956715
Exactly. It influenced the world dramatically.

>>14956771
I'm american.

You are butthurt.

>>14956642
Only decent picture I had of him without hitting Google. Now Arche and Mint OTOH.

>>14956766
>No one wants virtual reality, they want things to be like they are, just better looking and better playing.

Judging from /ic/ alone, I'd say there's a lot more discontent with games than you realize.

>>14956771
I like how you tell me that comics aren't ultra right wing, and then when I disagree with you, you accuse me of being a liberal faggot.

GUESS WHAT? YOU JUST DISPROVED YOURSELF.

>>14956085
>100 years

I can't wait for the new shades of brown they'll invent, now fed directly into your brain

It'll be used for recreation just like everything else

>>14956555
You don't need bigger and more technology for games to be interactive art, or be on the same playing field story-wise as novels and movies.

You just have to get some actual good writers that give a fuck about telling a good story. Protip: These will never, ever come from Japan. the Japanese do not know how to write stories period. Especially now.

You also have to separate the game writers from the game creators. Case in point: Denis Dyack. He's spent so long with his Too Human norse mythology meets technocratic epic that he's kept in his trapper keeper since he thought it up in 6th grade, he's completely glossed over the fact that all of his characters look like generic garbage and his world is completely uninteresting.

Same thing happened with Mass Effect. They were so wrapped up in the races and the tech they created, they forgot to make any of the characters say anything but "HERE'S WHAT MY PEOPLE TRADITIONALLY DO".

>>14957079
Yeah, I like what Dennis Dyack is doing with all that.

I'm also a fan of Marc Laidlaw, the main writer for Valve. If there's anyone that can write cool shit into an interesting game, it's him.

>>14956251
100 years into the future we'll be plugged into computers enjoying endless sex simulation

Enjoy your 30 minute climax. Hell, the word climax will become a misnomer

I nominate this asshole.

>>14957128
Marc Laidlaw wrote all that epic shit? I now love him and his awesome name.

the wizard dude who makes shadow link in zelda 2:

>-Is the cause for most of the main character's suffering.
Well, he's trying to rez gannon, and shadow link is his last attempt to keep the triforce free.
>-Is powerful enough that every time you encounter him, you're scared shitless.
his penultimate creation is thunderbird (or whatever it's called), a thing with a hidden face that spits 234834905 fireballs per second.
>-Is the main tormentor for most of the game.
indirectly, yeah. if he wasn't inside the great palace trying to rez gannon, link wouldn't've had to go to all the other palaces and take their crystals to open the gateway.
>-Awesome theme music.
iirc, there was a unique bgm for the shadow link fight, different than any other boss fight.
>-One of those weird-ass stage backgrounds that makes you think you're on an acid trip.
THE SCREEN TURNS PURPLE AND BLACK. :o
>-Actually has a GOOD reason for fucking shit up.
rezzing the baddie from z1 is a good enough reason.
>-Isn't a pussy. Is willing to die fighting the main character at any given moment.
well... er... iirc, link sorta just takes the triforce from him after beating him, since he's out of magic.
>-Never wants to give up. The fucker should be willing to charge at the good guys if he only has one leg to hop on.
he's a gnome. he can't stand up to 16-year-old, two-blocks-tall link. link kicks him and steals his candy.
>-He shouldn't need underlings. They're okay to have, but if the whole operation falls through without them, there are problems.
the only underling that's directly his is thunderbird, who is strong and deadly.
>-Never goes soft. When the final blow is dealt, the villain should NEVER give a sappy speech that tries to make everyone feel sympathetic for him.
he never says a word. he just rips link's shadow from him and starts the final fight.

>>14956931
Just because you're being a liberal faggot, doesn't mean i'm right wing. I'm libertarian, actually.

You don't read comics. Well, you might read those shitty indie comics that end up in the back issue bins that nobody wants.

If you did, you'd see there's not a single hero or villain you could label as extreme right wing. Well, maybe Iron Man. I'll give you Iron Man.

Captain America? Died rebelling against America. Superman? As much as Frank Miller wants him to be a government tool, he never has been. Hell, Lex Luthor was the president until recently, so I don't think he's all too gung ho about the white house. Batman would never trust the government. Spider-man ditto.

Care to try again you piece of shit?

>>14957316
Yeah, check out some of his books too.

Dad's Nuke and Neon Lotus are fucking awesome.

>>14957347
Oh, Captain Atom. I'll give you Captain Atom too.

>>14955002
>>14956648
>>14956018

These are so far the best choices in this thread, my only real complaints would be how Zant drops his Pyramid Head-like sense of silent terror and turns into a one-man loony bin, but that was just as unnerving in its own way. I'd say he makes up in badassery when he cuts off Ganondorf, too.

>>14957424
you are the worst spoilers tag user ever.

>>14956822
>Is the cause for most of the main character's suffering.
Indirectly yes. An evil knight dude takes out your village to free him in exchange for his power, however that plan doesn't work out too well for him...
>Is powerful enough that every time you encounter him, you're scared shitless.
Oh god yes, first time you meet him he KAMEHAMEHA's the evil knight guy who destroyed your village, Chester and old guy who only saved Cless and Mint by transporting them back in time before everything gets annihilated. The rest of the game is buildup to rematching his past, present and future forms again, and it's pretty awesome battling.
>Is the main tormentor for most of the game. None of this Necron bullshit.
Directly or indirectly yes.
>Awesome theme music.
Very yes.
>Actually has a GOOD reason for fucking shit up.
Also very yes he wants to steal your world's Mana Seed to save his.
>He shouldn't need underlings. They're okay to have, but if the whole operation falls through without them, there are problems.
Does mass armies of demons and SHARK-MEN count? They're just grunts though.
>Never goes soft. When the final blow is dealt, the villain should NEVER give a sappy speech that tries to make everyone feel sympathetic for him.
Kind of. Though the truth comes out when he finally dies, it only barely makes him more sympathetic because the ends don't justify the means, and he still thinks of humans as insects.